Demon Snake Guide MGSV: The Phantom Pain

Few months ago Hideo Kojima posted an interesting picture of Demon Snake in Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain. The first thing that draws your attention is a horn that got grown.
In this guide we’ll tell you more about a hidden stat opposite to Heroism.

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Demon Levels

I couldn’t find any counter that shows how many demon points I’ve acquired, but the more points you collect, the more apparent becomes the horn in Snake’s head. There are three Demon levels, which cause three different stages of horn growth:
  1. Normal Snake – basic appearance of Venom Snake
  2. Horn Snake – 20,000 Demon Points. Horn in Snake’s head becomes longer.
  3. Demon snake – 50,000 Demon Points. The horn is much longer and your uniform becomes permanently blood-stained even if you try to shower.

How to earn Demon Points and become Demon Snake

+20 – Fail the fulton extraction of an animal
+20 – Kill an animal
+30 – Critically wound an enemy soldier
+40 – Kill an animal with fire damage
+60 – Fail the fulton extraction of an enemy soldier
+60 – Kill an enemy soldier
+60 – Lose a staff member held hostage by aborting mission 22 (+60 each)
+75 – Destroy D-Walker
+90 – Kill a Diamond Dog staff member held hostage
+100 – Kill a prisoner
+120 – Kill a critically wounded enemy soldier
+120 – Kill an enemy soldier with fire damage
+150 – Destroy a support helicopter
+150 – Critically wound D-Dog, D-Horse or Quiet
+180 – Kill a Diamond Dogs staff member
+180 – Kill one of your Diamond Dogs staff member held hostage with fire damage
+200 – Kill a prisoner with fire damage
+50,000 – Develop a nuclear weapon

How to lose Demon points

-30 – Fulton extract a common animal
-30 – Fulton extract a critically wounded enemy soldier
-30 – Fulton extract a puppet soldier via helicopter
-30 – Fulton extract a critically wounded enemy soldier
-30 – Fulton extract a Skull
-30 – Extract an enemy soldier via helicopter
-60 – Fulton extract a rare animal
-60 – Fulton extract a Diamond Dogs staff member
-60 – Fulton extract a prisoner
-60 – Extract a puppet soldier via helicopter
-60 – Extract a critically wounded enemy via helicopter
-60 – Extract Quiet via helicopter
-120 – Fulton extract a child
-120 – Fulton extract a very rare or extremely rare animal
-120 – Extract a VIP or prisoner via helicopter
-120 – Extract a Diamond Dogs staff member via helicopter
-240 – Extract a child via helicopter
-300 – Visit the Animal Conservation Platform
-1,000 – Dispose of a nuclear weapon
-1,000 – Earn the “Cry Havoc” trophy
-1,000 – Earn the “Speechless” trophy
-5,000 – Earn the “Cleared” trophy
-5,000 – Earn the “Trusty Steed” trophy
-5,000 – Earn the “Man’s Best Friend” trophy
-5,000 – Earn the “War Buddy” trophy
-5,000 – Earn the “Reminiscence” trophy
-10,000 – Earn the “Conservation” trophy
-30,000 – Dispose of ten nuclear weapons

We would like to thank GameFaq community members AlxCj and mikesettokill for making detailed list on how to increase and decrease number of demon points.

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42 COMMENTS

  1. V
    Vegetano1

    Is it posible to get rid of the demon points?

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      Bob

      sell Nuclear Weapons

      1. B
        brandon

        LOL oh god that made my day. LOL !!!!!!

      2. M
        Marial Arts

        I want too do that be demon snake ?. .

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      Smirg

      Dude cant u read ? Theres a whole segment that lists how to lose those points -_-

      1. V
        Vegetano1

        That list wasn’t here when i posted dude.
        Trying to un-demon now,… :/

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      Puma59

      Did you try actually READING the article before posting this question?

  2. Q
    Qwerty

    I can’t find an answer to my question so there it will be. What it does? Being a demon? Any profits? Costume or immune to damage? Anything except the horn being bigger and unwashable blood.

    1. M
      Mindash

      um Qwerty it has a list of things to do thats huge right up above? how can you miss it? here it is again

      How to lose Demon points
      -30 – Fulton extract a common animal
      -30 – Fulton extract a critically wounded enemy soldier
      -30 – Fulton extract a puppet soldier via helicopter
      -30 – Fulton extract a critically wounded enemy soldier
      -30 – Fulton extract a Skull
      -30 – Extract an enemy soldier via helicopter
      -60 – Fulton extract a rare animal
      -60 – Fulton extract a Diamond Dogs staff member
      -60 – Fulton extract a prisoner
      -60 – Extract a puppet soldier via helicopter
      -60 – Extract a critically wounded enemy via helicopter
      -60 – Extract Quiet via helicopter
      -120 – Fulton extract a child
      -120 – Fulton extract a very rare or extremely rare animal
      -120 – Extract a VIP or prisoner via helicopter
      -120 – Extract a Diamond Dogs staff member via helicopter
      -240 – Extract a child via helicopter
      -300 – Visit the Animal Conservation Platform
      -1,000 – Dispose of a nuclear weapon
      -1,000 – Earn the “Cry Havoc” trophy
      -1,000 – Earn the “Speechless” trophy
      -5,000 – Earn the “Cleared” trophy
      -5,000 – Earn the “Trusty Steed” trophy
      -5,000 – Earn the “Man’s Best Friend” trophy
      -5,000 – Earn the “War Buddy” trophy
      -5,000 – Earn the “Reminiscence” trophy
      -10,000 – Earn the “Conservation” trophy
      -30,000 – Dispose of ten nuclear weapons

      1. V
        Viper2005

        I think qwerty is asking, whats the point of demon snake and how does being demon snake affect the game? do you get a buff? debuff?

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        firelegin

        Qwerty didn’t miss it. you missed Qwerty’s question. What being a demon effects? I am wondering this too. i read somewhere that being a demon makes it easier for enemies to spot you. i don’t know if that’s true though.

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          Fidel Carvalho

          In the demon level you’ll leave blood footprints, so the enemies could be alerted if they see.

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          John

          I was demon Snake for 2 days bow, and those “footprint” “less camo” things are pure bullshit… It doesn’t give you kess lives either. It just gives Snake and you avatar caracter a very disturbing devil like apearance… I don’t like it personally, I have been farming little kids all day to get back to normal Snake…

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            :)

            sounds fucked up “i have been farming little kids”

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            Fidel Carvalho

            I read that somewhere, the person said that it was Prima guide and a lot of people confirmed, but after better research i saw that it was BS. Thanks anyway.

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            Anthony White

            Try tto extract some birds and sheep use some capture cages if you have them. I had over 85,000 Deamon points and changed in a couple hours.

  3. L
    Liam

    Does the score stay consistent at 50,000? Because I just got the whole demon snake thing and I’ve been grinding forever to get it to go away and nothing seems to work. I’ve played the first chapter almost completely without killing and I’m still stuck with it

    1. J
      John

      No, after the first level 3 achievement, level 2 moves to 40.000. And later it moves to 60.000 and level 3 will be 70.000, this makes it more easy to become normal Snake again. Just play the white Mamba for an hour over and over again and extract all kids you can find quickly (shoot Eli from a distance to prevent that anoying fight)

      This makes you lose 2.500 demon points and some GMP after each mission (make sure to take the large diamond in the gaurd post to prevent loss of GMP and wear the infinity bandana if you have unlocked it (infinite bullits/supresors)

  4. S
    Saxon

    I’m playing on the PS4 and I’m having a bit of an issue, I’ve gone Demon once, and immediately went back, but i’ve gone full demon again, I’m like 99% non-lethal with only grenades and C4, I killed only when I had to, and had just recently built a nuke, but I’ve been farming anti-demon points for about 3 days and the blood on snake hasn’t gone away, nor has his horn shrunk even a little. The horn just kinda changes in between fully pointy and shaved down an inch, never going fully down.
    I’ve just been in this perpetual state of constant demon-hood, I’ve farmed Metallic Archaea atleast 20 times, only killing one soldier every 3-4 tries. I’ve farmed White Mamba around the same, and heli extracted all the kids once. I’ve went on an animal rescue mission for atleast 3 hours, and still nothing, and lastly I’ve been to the Zoo around 3-4 times.
    I’d really like some help, or atleast directions to… I dunno… a bug report page? Complaint page? So if I am Actually permanently Demon Snake, it gets patched next time…

    1. M
      mDMzero

      Once on pause menu, go to controler option and select contact ID.
      Get ur ID number, It will be a 9 digit number xxx-xxx-xxx and get in touch with Konami.
      The URL for contact konami was into Online messages when u get online once a day. U can access it from pause menu too.

    2. K
      Kevin

      According to the prima strat guide, once you build a nuke you instantly lose 50,000 heroism and gain 50,00 demon points. I don’t know this for sure but maybe owning a nuke is what is preventing you from losing demon points?

    3. S
      Sambath

      the normal look of venom snake still has a horn but it is very small and there is no way to completely remove the horn

      1. B
        bruh

        Can you use wormhole to UN demon too???

  5. C
    Chemical Infantry

    If you want to
    A: Get rid of demon points
    B: Get female combat soldiers
    and C: A crap ton of herosim

    Replay Mission 23(White Mumba) and extract the child soldiers and their one combat female prisoner. Over and over again until you don’t have all the unwashable blood on snake.

  6. J
    Jin

    The Absolute QUICKEST WAY to UN-DEMON is simply to do the mission “White Mamba” bring Quiet with you and equip You AND Her with a tranquil sniper rifle. Also equip a Wu-Pistol Level 3 and simply fulton extract every child there is. you’ll undemon pretty much from that 1 mission ALONE, fuck everything else, it’s all redundant and a time waster FUCK THE LIST.

  7. C
    Carnaga

    So, where is the hidden stat you were about to tell? You can see a prompt on your screen when you do actions affecting your heroism and I wouldn’t say it’s a secret. What interests me is how the Deamon Snake affects your gameplay: if it’s only cosmetics, it actually does not affect the gameplay. The enemies and characters react the same regardless you being demon or hero snake.

    For example: it would be awesome that if you would enter to the child soldier area – while being demon snake – that the child soldiers start to cry and run when they see you 😀

    1. R
      Romek

      That’s simply a way to make you feel bad about killing people who wouldn’t hesitate a second to gun you down should they have the chance. The BS this game is…

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    Pludrike

    The only different i noticed is that some staff can see the difference and salute you differently. “-Whatever you are boss, i still honored to be at your side” or similar and before they speak they get scared.
    I build 4 nukes before even knowing about this crap. So im pretty fucked and play with other caracters. Snake is pretty low skilled compered to others.
    Its so fucking wierd you should be punished for killing soldiers! THEY TRY TO KILL YOU FFS! Fine if you gain demon points for killing animals or staff/hostages etc., but for KILLING SOLDIERS!!! WTF!

    1. R
      Romek

      Couldn’t agree more, it’s ridiculous. They’re soldiers for christ’s sake. Even worse, they’re mercs in Africa. BS.

  9. S
    SolidEye

    I’m alittle confused. You gain 50,000 points for developing a nuclear weapon but in order to lose 30,000 of those points you have to destroy 10 of them? How does that help anyone? You make your Demon Snake status worse for every nuclear weapon you develop. This is a stupid feature in the game that should never have been put in.

    1. M
      Metalgear

      You have to steal and dismantle other people’s nukes, not build more…

  10. H
    Hugo Ponce

    I think that must be removed the demon state could be more useful that your comrades start to leave instead i mean you lose your heroism and start to lose your better soldiers something like a la Quiet style, i think it´s much better and more logic that your comrades leave, when they see that you betray your principles, i guess that many people that play metal gear solid games, love to play this, because snake and how he sticks to justice and righteousness , maybe i´m wrong but in this crazy world we like the good héroes, and we can keep killing the bad guys.

  11. H
    Hugo Ponce

    Hi to everyone i´m Hugo i had the same problem with demon state i’ve been playing the White mamba level and nothing but i start to notice this in the missions list where you can chose the mission you want to play, there are missions with numbers in White color and another with blue color i played the missions whit blue numbers and i noticed that those number start to decrease i think maybe i´m wrong that those missions with a blue score reduce the demon points i´ve played this missions and the horn and the blood from the snake´s suit gone and every time that i play those missions the horn becomes smaller check this maybe it will work, and maybe we discover the secret to cleanup the demon state

    1. J
      Javier Olaf

      The Missions with blue numbers are the ones who you’ve done more than once, each time you play them the GMP reduces by a half

  12. R
    R

    Ive gotten 100,000 heroism from grinding white mamba mission and from just playing around and still have not gotten rid of demon snake. The only thing that noticably gave me demon points was the development of a nuclear weapon and ive disposed of it now. Ive gotten a lot of heroism as my dd soilders because snake looks like a women on her period with a dick on her forehead. Do i need to be playing as snake when i get heroism to negate the effects of demon snake? Or did the recent patch fuck me. What do i do.

    1. R
      R

      I currently have 200k heroism and i had 150k at the time of the nuclear development. Nuclear development got me to 100k and ive been grinding since

  13. F
    Fonz_408

    Ive been a demon for well over 2 months and ive been trying to get back to normal snake for around 1 month… ive disposal 8 nukes and done mission 23 well over 10 times and im still at lvl 3 demon… i think im stuck like this : (

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    flowenol_87

    Guys, I’ve disposed 50 nukes (195000 demon points shaved), did mission 23 so many times that I lost count… Still level 3 demon snake… Has anyone actually reverted back to normal snake before? If my math is right, I should have trimmed more than 200k of demon points but to no effect, I can’t even revert to level 2 demon snake…

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      Michael g Connolly

      I’ve done almost 50 nukes and countless mamba replays have you found anything that worked

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    Psn: mrstickyster

    Yeah, I just went bloody snake demon the other day. Didn’t realize it until I tried a shower, and the blood stayed. Immediately went to white mamba, extracted all the kids, went home and washed the blood off.
    I was under the impression that there was a cutscene, or some other indication of progressing to higher demon levels.

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    Credo

    How do you “Fulton extract a puppet soldier via helicopter” that is contradictory

  17. J
    Jayjay

    this sucks why is the devil helping

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